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This sounds great — it makes much more sense.
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At the same time we would like to disable our AdSense API integration completely — there is no reason to keep it around if we are coming up with an equivalent (or even better) solution.
The changes, including dropping our current AdSense integration, will take effect 2. April, but we will give Pro users a clean way to migrate their ads to a new system sooner. We will also notify admins of all affected sites.
Please make sure I don't suddenly have a bunch of error messages everywhere that I've used an AdSense module ;-)
If it's possible for you to give me an automatically-generated list of every page with an AdSense module on it in the notification email… that would be perfect, as it would tell me exactly where I need to go to make the changes necessary. Although it's perfectly understandable if that is not feasible.
I'd like to continue using AdSense, under the same account I currently use, without interruption if possible. Is it a simple matter of using Google-generated code, instead of the AdSense module? :S
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No problem, we will send notifications (and instructions) to all current AdSense users to update their settings. Unfortunately you will need to go to AdSense site and generate the ad code yourself, but this should take you just a few minutes, and I think it will be much easier to maintain later.
But you will have at least one week to update, and you can do it without any interruption to your ads.
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Well, I'm sorry to say this but it is very frustrating to me so far. How do I generate this adsense code? I cannot find anything about it in my Adsense account and so far not on wikidot either. Beacuse of that wikidot cost me all my Adsense income + the money for a ProLite account.
I feel horrible. I have to delete so many wiki's because of this, ah wel…
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I cannot give you a direct link for Google Adsense where you generate the ad code, but please try:
1. https://google.com/adsense
2. click AdSense Setup — right below the AdSense logo
3. choose AdSense for Content
4. select e.g. Ad unit, and Continue
5. go through the options, or leave them default for minimal config. click Continue ». And again.
6. Give it a name, or keep default. Click Submit and Get Code
7. Copy the code from a box (starting with <script…)
Now go to Site Manager on your site, which should be available on page admin:manage. E.g. on your-site-name.wikidot.com/admin:manage. Click Advertising.
If you can get there, it should be easy.
I hope this helps,
Michal
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Ditto in re: error messages all over the place. I began implementing code before I understood live templates (or maybe before they were around, I'm not sure), so I've got little modules in lots of different nooks and crannies, especially on older parts of my site.
Will it be possible for <custom label> modules look like [[module AdSenseUnit label="label"]], so once I'm done pasting the right code into the site manager, I don't have to go page by page fixing each custom unit? A week to do a little copy and paste once per ad unit is plenty, but a week to fix all the old bits and pieces isn't nearly enough.
we will give Pro users a clean way to migrate their ads to a new system sooner
Yes, good idea. We will make AdSenseUnit an alias to Ad.
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Google's first pay comes if you earn at least 10 euros. Not less. Will I loose everything I have earned so far? I know it is not much, but it seems that the revenue is getting higher each day, and if i change the way of advertising, again I will be forced to wait for Google to find correct language for my site and again I will have to put up with Russian, Bulgarian, even Chinese adds that have no sense in a Serbian site…
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1. No, you will not lose anything, because you will still continue to use the same Google AdSense account. Simply you will need to go to https://www.google.com/adsense/, generate ad unit code, and paste it to Site Manager on particular sites you manage. I am not sure if Google will need to re-crawl your sites to match proper ads though. I hope it already has all the data required to match ads to the content.
2. As far as I can see, the payment threshold is a bit higher… $100 or €70 under normal circumstances :-( Check this at https://www.google.com/adsense/support/bin/answer.py?answer=139719#p
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Or $150 AUD :(
A threshold for Google to confirm my delivery address was $15, and I got that recently… they sent out a postcard with a code on it, and I had to enter that code into the AdSense website to prove that I had received it. … … After checking the AdSense website today, I discover that I only have around $12 now. That's about 80% of $15 so I'm assuming that means wikidot has taken it's share out of the total since I last had a look.
Either way… I'm a long way away from getting anything back! ;-)
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Well, it should not work like that, our margin should be totally transparent for you. I do not think $15 is a definite threshold, they simply might send out confirmations sooner or later.
I hope that with 100% revenue you will be able to get to your payment threshold sooner. But honestly, there are soooo many complains about the high payout threshold all over the web… Once I saw an article that estimated how much money Google holds in those threshold-not-met AdSense earnings, and the total amount was shocking huge.
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I'm not surprised to hear that. AdSense is definitely successful for them.
The margin for a payout is 100 USD or 150 AUD. Considering 100 U.S. dollars = 108.52 Australian dollars, I'd hardly say that is fair ;-) Nothing I can do about it though.
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2. As far as I can see, the payment threshold is a bit higher… $100 or €70 under normal circumstances :-( Check this at https://www.google.com/adsense/support/bin/answer.py?answer=139719#p
Oh, I see. You're right. 10 € was the limit to be able to determine the way of payment. Ohhhh, If Google has to crowl again my site I will never reach the first payment…. :(:(:(:(:(
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I do like the idea of advertising books of Amazon at my site. I have already seen this at some other historical sites, and I do like the idea, because it is something that will attract my visitors to click on ads….
If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be vegan. - Paul McCartney
Indeed, I can see many users trying to add Amazon Affiliate ads on their sites, using various hacks. Now it should be much, much easier.
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Brunni, another approach might be to put an Amazon store on your site. I did it for wiki-related books at the bottom of my pagehere.
I think this new proposal for dealing with ads is sensible.
Rob Elliott - Strathpeffer, Scotland - Wikidot first line support & community admin team.
Yeah I have an Amazon store. It's easy to set up. You can also make a widget to go anywhere on your site that will rotate products from your store but the links from that will send users your Amazon hosted store and not the version embedded on your site…same difference really.
Appropriate affiliate links related to the actual pages, I think, will earn more for most than a store but a store is an easy option to also have. Very user friendly.
"If you…would like to escape our advertising or earn money from your sites"
It'd be nice if these benefits were sold separately. I don't like ads, but I'm not an entrepreneur. If ~$2/mo. covered hosting costs and whatnot, I'd be happy to pay that, though.
On the topic of accounts, what happens to uploaded files larger than 5mb when the account gets downgraded to Free status?
Also, for curiosity's sake, what happens to a wiki when you delete both the site and the account? Does it become unrecoverable?
No, the site can be recovered, and the account, too, if I am not mistaken. If you delete your site, and not account, you can recover it by yourself (you will see the option in your user page). But if you delete your account, I think that in this case only developers can help…. Michal would know more about it…
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(account deleted)On the topic of accounts, what happens to uploaded files larger than 5mb when the account gets downgraded to Free status?
I'm pretty sure your files would be fine since the restriction is checked when files are uploaded. I really doubt that existing files would be affected. The question I would have is what if your storage space exceeds the free limit when you downgrade? Are you simply prevented from adding more files until you do some cleanup or do some files become inaccessible?
-Ed
OK, here is some clarification on the current state:
1. Files larger than 5MB are kept in case of a downgrade, but you cannot files larger than 5MB.
2. If you delete sites, we still keep them archived, and we can bring them back on-line in special circumstances.
3. Deleted accounts can also be recovered, we partially archive them too.
4. If your site exceeds the 300MB free upload limit and you downgrade, you will not be able to upload any more files until you delete some files and go below that limit.
I cannot guarantee that this is a binding answer. Ideally we would rather limit access to files on sites that exceed the storage limit. Either soft limit (e.g. by making the downloads slower), or hard limit, by disabling the access completely.
This is still undecided, but we would like to put the restriction before we introduce monthly payments. We would like to prevent a situation when someone pays for a Pro+ account, loads lots of files, downgrades and still has unlimited access to them.
Michał Frąckowiak @ Wikidot Inc.
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I can see your concern over someone potentially taking advantage of monthly Pro+ accounts. I would suggest that if someone downgrades, you give them 30 days notice (or some reasonable time frame) to clean up their files to get under the limit. After 30 days, you start deleting files (newest first? largest first?) until their total is under the limit. For sure blocking new file uploads also makes sense until the files are cleaned up.
The real issue for you is how easy is it to automate this kind of thing so it doesn't become a maintenance hassle.
-Ed
Thanks, this would be a very good solution indeed! A grace-period of 30 days.
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Brunni, another approach might be to put an Amazon store on your site. I did it for wiki-related books at the bottom of my pagehere.
I would appreciate VERY much some help on this, please….. :D
I woould like to put it on the bottom of the main page, under the four little boxes and the books should be in a line, one beside the other… In just one row. And on history, of course… :)
I don't have a clue on how to do it. If you prefer, I can open a new thread on it in the Community forum…
Please, help me, I really have been wanting this for a long time…. :)
Is this Amazon Store applied to a site?
http://medievalnews.blogspot.com/2010/03/natalie-zemon-davis-wins-holberg-prize.html
You can also make a widget to go anywhere on your site that will rotate products from your store
And this I would like to put in a side bar…
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Firstly, just want to point out how great it is that the weneeds have been moved to feedback.wikidot.com, with the same authors, rating, comments, etc. That should be provided as a service to users, where wikidot manually moves pages/comments/rating to another site with the same MA. $10 USD per category, per request?
And, is the "Tuesday Rant" something that will disappear now that pieter is not posting on this blog, or are there plans to continue it?
It's midday and I've already finished work (even if I had to wake myself up at 4 am to start)… so I'm in a good mood today ;-) Going to hopefully catch up on the hundreds of wikidot notification emails I haven't had a chance to read yet, from the past couple of weeks.
Cheers,
Shane
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I hope we can finish the Feedback site today — it took a bit longer than we expected. There will be a separate blog post about it for sure!
Indeed we would like to collect all feedback, including ideas and problem reports, on a single site. I am still not sure about complaints though… I do not want to put them into dedicated blog posts (rants). But at the same time we would like to give negative opinions a way to reach us. The only reasonable place IMHO is feedback.wikidot.com.
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I have just seen this message in Site Manager, and I think we will have a huge problem with this.
"My site" is not my site since we went pro. MA of my site is one of my colleagues from Serbia, and he pays for the pro site. But he does not have a clue about administrating the site, that is what I do, as I have been always been doing from the very beginning. That is why I installed AsSense with my AdSense account and my e-mail and we have some money there. It is not much, but we would like to have that money, since we plan to pay the next year pro account with that money (or at least a part of it). If you limit ads administration only to MA, we will be unable to earn anything, and also we will lose our money we have earned so far.
Can this be solved in some way? Can't we pay just for the site, and not for the whole account? Because, we really want pro account for only one site, which is the joint effort of three of us.
Never mind. I have found out the way to have the google ads without accessing to Wikidot Advertising. But anyway, I think that Advertising part should be accessible for all administrators, not only to MA.
I also think that there should be the possibility to pay per site, and not per account.
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I'm not sure about the solution to your actual question (sounds like you found a solution anyway), but I believe that if you have a certain amount of money in there (about $15 USD) and you cancel the AdSense account, they will send you a cheque with that amount.
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Here's my solution:
http://istorijska-biblioteka.wikidot.com/ad:isbi
Then I can include it in any page I want using include module.
If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be vegan. - Paul McCartney
I have just read the email and had a look at the new Advertising panel in the site manager. It looks good, and having it integrated into the site manager instead of being a separate panel is a great improvement.
Instructions in the email were clear and easy to understand.
Thanks,
Shane
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Update:
Okay, I've had some time to look at the panel in more detail. It seems I'm unable to choose more than one location for my ads, which I was able to do with the AdSense panel. For example, I can only use one type of Google AdSense banner, and that's it. Should I make a feature request for this?
Also, the "+ Add a custom location" link doesn't seem to do anything. It asks me to enter a label and click OK. Then nothing else happens.
— Shane
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Thanks for the comments. Just to clarify - this indeed can be misleading (in this case we will improve the panel ASAP), but you can enter code for multiple locations easily. The location selector lets you browse through locations, so that you can paste the code for multiple locations, not just select one.
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Yes, I did, and we are thinking right now if to allow non-master admins configure ads. If only master admin can set up ads, this is the simplest scenario - MA owns the site, paid for it, and makes money from it. It should cover almost all cases.
But we might be wrong, and letting other admins configure ads would be a good idea. You make admins only the people you trust. Usually.
Michał Frąckowiak @ Wikidot Inc.
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@Brunhilda
we have enabled non-master admins to manage ads now. Thanks for the suggestion and comment!
BTW: using AdSense within [[html]] tag might not be the best solution, because AdSense Bot does not know on which page a particular AdSense box is placed and might have problems matching ads to the content.
Michał Frąckowiak @ Wikidot Inc.
Visit my blog at michalf.me
BTW: using AdSense within [[html]] tag might not be the best solution, because AdSense Bot does not know on which page a particular AdSense box is placed and might have problems matching ads to the content.
This was only the solution to have them even if I cannot access the Advertising pannel. Now that I can, I will do it as it should be done.
Thank you, Michal. You are a man of few words, but when you say, you say it right. :)
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