Tuesday Rant XV

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Tuesday Rant XV
From the desk of pieterh
Via the so-tell-me-about-your-parents department, on 1257237153|%e %B %Y, %H:%M

Today it's Tuesday. Here in Torun, Poland, the sun is shining, and the birds are singing, or at least they would be if it was not so insanely cold that the birds are actually hiding in a hole in the ground, drinking vodka and tweeting "Kurwa! It's cold!" to each other. That's my rant for today: someone has turned off the heating here in Northern Europe, and it sucks.

Back to Wikidot, the unavoidable focal point of my blog. Tuesday is the day for ranting, complaining, and generally getting the kind of great unburdening feeling that Californians pay a five hundred an hour therapist to give. No Eliot Spitzer jokes, please!

But before we turn up the music and start the party, please go take a look at Timothy Foster's notebook application. Timothy has taken a decent note-taking application (MS OneNote) and wikified it, and the results are an elegant demo of what Wikidot (or rather, Wikidot in the hands of a skilled designer like Timothy) can do.

Comments: 49

Yes, it's amazing!
leigerleiger 1257239956|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

The notebook app is purely amazing. I've used OneNote before but it didn't suit my needs well enough so I ditched it. Now that there's a Wikidot equivalent, it's customisable, meaning I can make it suit my needs and it'll be a perfect tool :)

Onto ranting… CSIs don't work when trying to include from a private site! :(

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A second opinion about weather...
jjsjjs 1257243805|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
  1. It's not cold enough. There are no proper winters in southern Finland anymore. And when there's no snow, it gets really dark here at this point of year. We've been itching to dig out our snowboards from the attic with my son but no chance before christmas (again). And the U.S. says that there's no such thing as climate change.
  2. All they show is reality-tv these days. Fortunately I don't have time to watch tv.
  3. There's no real music on record charts today. Fortunately I don't watch charts.

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 (_|||_) \ - Janne

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Re: A second opinion about weather...
leigerleiger 1257244235|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Any chance you're interested in the Science fiction genre? I'm enjoying a show called Stargate Universe… but I'd recommend that if you were to start watching it, you should at least catch up on the 5 episodes that have already aired the past few weeks.

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Re: A second opinion about weather...
jjsjjs 1257249485|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I was a huge fan of the original Star Trek series :)

Will have to check out that SGU when it starts running here in Finland.


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Re: A second opinion about weather...
leigerleiger 1257249782|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I never watched Star Trek, and barely even watched Stargate until about a year ago when I started buying the DVDs for the previous seasons. Hope you enjoy SGU :)

Now… we better not get too off-topic, or else Pieter will be ranting about us next! ;-)

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netbooks
rhombus prhombus p 1257250575|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

netbooks are good an all for portability and (you guessed it) browsing the internet, but its very annoying when you try to run a program thats to stubborn to downsize from its 1024X768 rez or what ever to 1024X576, so that the darn thing is expanding way past the reaches of you screen and the you have to alt F4 to quit the X button is no where to be found


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i will be inactive until the winter holidays because of school — Rhombus p.

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GabrysGabrys 1257268983|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

That's my rant for today: someone has turned off the heating here in Northern Central Europe, and it sucks.


Piotr Gabryjeluk
visit my blog

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RobElliottRobElliott 1257269457|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

But they left the tap on: it hasn't stopped raining in my part of Scotland since Saturday.


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pieterhpieterh 1257270409|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

That's my rant for today: someone has turned off the heating here in moved Central Europe 2,000 km north into the Arctic circle, and it sucks.

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michal frackowiakmichal frackowiak 1257276482|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

In Poland — it should get warmer in the next few days… but more rainy too :-(

Any suggestion where we could move our headquarters to enjoy nice weather a bit more?


Michał Frąckowiak @ Wikidot Inc.
Visit my blog at michalf.me

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Wikidot HQ Suggestion
Wayne EddyWayne Eddy 1257277900|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Bundaberg is supposed to have one of the best climates in the world. The average middle-of-winter overnight temperature is +10C and the average middle—of-summer high is +30C. Doesn' t get much better than that, unless you like snow boarding!!!.

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Re: Wikidot HQ Suggestion
James KanjoJames Kanjo 1257294688|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I've heard that South Australia is a nice place to live:


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Re: Wikidot HQ Suggestion
leigerleiger 1257294805|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

In other words…. don't visit Victoria! :)

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Re: Wikidot HQ Suggestion
James KanjoJames Kanjo 1257295353|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Shush!


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Re: Wikidot HQ Suggestion
graphmasturgraphmastur 1257302279|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Yeah, let's move the servers down there…

I like the picture of Spain brunhilda gave. Let's move it to spain!!!


"But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear;" ~ 1 Peter 3:16

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BrunhildaBrunhilda 1257280258|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Any suggestion where we could move our headquarters to enjoy nice weather a bit more?

Spain… We have had a nice and warm day here, 21º C, the Sun came up at 7.30 and went down some 10-11 hours later… I had a wonderful day, having my coffee and a sandwich in a terrace of the next door bar, then took a walk with my dog for about three hours, then went back home and continued to enjoy the good weather at my terrace…

Pieter, if I could, I would send you a little bit of this Spanish sun, you really deserved it… :D
November%203rd.jpg
http://isbitestsite.wdfiles.com/local--files/system:start/November%203rd.jpg

Now, time to rant a little bit…

I hate when after uploading a picture I have to clear cache and hit some four or five times (average) Ctrl + R in order to actually SEE the link of an uploaded picture. Uploading comes very fast to 100%, but never ends, so I have to go over again and again through the process of clearing cache and reloading the page endless times…


The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

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Ed JohnsonEd Johnson 1257287140|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

It's hard to rant given all of the positive things happening around Wikidot lately, but I 100% agree with Brunhilda. Something has changed regarding uploading and the wait is intolerable most of the time. It turns into a bit of a guessing game.

Is the upload really done? Damn! I refreshed too soon and didn't get all of my files!

It seems to primarily be a problem with images and the post-processing step that is creating the various scaled down images. Other files seem to take longer, but I noticed that non-image files usually give me the "upload complete!" message before I totally lose my patience and refresh.


Now for something completely different…

It's been unseasonably cold here in Minnesota the last month or so, but I'm still keeping my golf clubs in the trunk and holding out for a couple more 50º+ F (+10º C) days before the snow flies.

Like Bundaberg, San Deigo, CA is known for near-prefect weather year round. But if you're looking to expand into the US, Minnesota is a great place to live and work!

-Ed

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Timothy FosterTimothy Foster 1257287671|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Regarding images, once this had happened and I ended up somehow uploading the file twice since evidently after refreshing the file ended up uploading. When I deleted one of the copies, the other file remained, but it claimed to not have been existing at the time, so I had to start over. To say the least, although the file uploader says "all done!", it doesn't actually seem to be done.

Where I am, the weather is a perfect 15 to 21 degrees Celsius (60 - 70oF), though summers can get up to an infernal 43oC (110oF)!

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Ed JohnsonEd Johnson 1257297585|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

That reminds me of another annoyance with the multi-file uploader. It doesn't prompt to overwrite existing files. You either have to delete the original files one-by-one first ("options" "delete", "are you sure?", "yes!") or use the old uploader and upload files one-by-one so you can overwrite the originals.

-Ed

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gerdamigerdami 1257333456|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

With the global warming, Spain will become a desert.
Hence, Brussels seems to be the best choice…

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BrunhildaBrunhilda 1257334101|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

With the global warming, Spain will become a desert.

Even if this was true (which isn't :P), we will not live long enough to see it…

Spain is a big country, and has different types of climate. In the south it is truth they have very hot summers, but in the North and East, the climate is very nice… Barcelona is one of very nice places to live. Many sunny days per year, very few days of rain, no snow (ever!), winters are mild without rain… And all the Eastern Mediterranian coast of Spain is similar. Also, there are Canary Islands, where the temperature is 26ºC all year around… Balearic Islands, too. And one thing more: the food is excellent! Maybe France and Italy can compete with Spain in that field, but nobody else, for sure.


The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

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BrunhildaBrunhilda 1257288060|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

To me, it happens all the time. Right now, I am uploading all the photos I use in my site (there are some 340 photos), and for several days I achieve to upload some 5 photos per hour, only because of this. Clearing cache, reloading, reloading reloading until the photo link finally appears… In the beginning, everything was excellent. The picture would upload, and then Refresh your page would appear… I would refresh and the link was there… But now, it is really awful…


The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

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AsheAshe 1257289321|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I didn't even know there was a 'refresh your page' notice! I guess I must wind up reloading before it gets that far (I usually reload after the upload bar gets to 100%, and then I have to wait a while because the browser hangs while whatever processing is going on).

@Timothy — I did that the first time too: wound up with two uploaded copies, deleted one, and then had a ghost file listed on the page.

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Ed JohnsonEd Johnson 1257297715|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

the browser hangs while whatever processing is going on

I know there is post processing going on for images to create the various sized thumbnails. Beyond that, I don't know what else is going on beyond updating the database records to keep track of the files and their locations.

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The old uploader has arthritis
RobElliottRobElliott 1257290250|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I often have to upload images and files using the old uploader. Even on a fast connection it's painfully slow; why does a 2kb file take 51 seconds to upload?!


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Re: The old uploader has arthritis
leigerleiger 1257293346|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

That happens for me on both uploaders… the main one is even worse.

I tried uploading a "0 kB" (actually 600 Bytes) file and a "1 kB" file the other day…. and on my 20kB/s internet connection, it took about 2 minutes to complete. That's 1kB per minute!

Bigger files seem to upload faster… because it doesn't take as many minutes as kB to upload… but it's still a hell of a lot longer than it was a month or two ago - back then, everything uploaded as quickly as I'd expect it to and most files took no time at all. Suddenly things got slower for no apparent reason.

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What can you do with includes?
graphmasturgraphmastur 1257292442|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Okay, so I just checked, and I can't include a page, and then do iftags inside that include. This bothers me, really. You can't seem to be able to do anything with brackets with an include. Can this be changed? I don't want to do a full listpages, when I know exactly the page I want.


"But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear;" ~ 1 Peter 3:16

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Re: What can you do with includes?
AsheAshe 1257335435|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I'm not sure I'm completely following — you want the included iftags to work on the containing page? It should…

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Re: What can you do with includes?
graphmasturgraphmastur 1257336915|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Yes. It doesn't work.


"But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear;" ~ 1 Peter 3:16

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Auto-watching
leigerleiger 1257293134|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Since I changed my site to use the open policy a week ago, I've been flooded with people complaining about the mass spam after they join the site.

I've got instructions on the joining page about how to avoid watching, but people seem to ignore them or don't realise how many emails they are subscribing to. Considering I edit that site every few hours… it's more than most people want.

Doesn't help when one of them accidentally sent 12 almost identical messages "by mistake" -_-

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Re: Auto-watching
BrunhildaBrunhilda 1257321554|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I thought it was already decided to change this, i.e. to remove the automatic subscription when someone joins the site and leave it to a new member to decide if he will subscribe or not…


The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

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Re: Auto-watching
leigerleiger 1257321865|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

It is, but it's not implemented yet.

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File uploading - improved
michal frackowiakmichal frackowiak 1257329963|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I am happy to say we have fixed some issues with the file uploading by making workarounds for bizarre PHP behavior that we overlooked earlier — it should be much, much, MUCH faster now.

Thanks for ranting about it!


Michał Frąckowiak @ Wikidot Inc.
Visit my blog at michalf.me

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Re: File uploading - improved
RobElliottRobElliott 1257336244|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

It now zips along very quickly, thanks Michal.


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BrunhildaBrunhilda 1257330694|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Thanks, Michal! It is much faster now!


The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

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Upload is now GREAT!
Helmuti_pdorfHelmuti_pdorf 1257337092|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

This works really fast now!


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The watching - automatic for "new members" is stopped ?
Helmuti_pdorfHelmuti_pdorf 1257340690|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I made the experience today with a new member, who joined our site (in front of me):

I noticed him the "stop watching this site" link right bottom down, and "surprise, surprise" - there is no more this link, but the "start watching rhis site…" is now positined.

Great!


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Re: The watching - automatic for "new members" is stopped ?
pieterhpieterh 1257353346|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I noticed him the "stop watching this site" link right bottom down, and "surprise, surprise" - there is no more this link, but the "start watching rhis site…" is now positined.

More likely it is how his profile was set up. "Watching new sites" is a per-profile option.

We'd have to remove this profile option and then force it off for all further Join events.

Re: The watching - automatic for "new members" is stopped ?
leigerleiger 1257375629|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

We'd have to remove this profile option and then force it off for all further Join events.

Why do that? Surely just having it disabled by default for new user registrations would make a huge difference?

So far only one user that has signed up to my site was an existing member… and that was James when he helped me to set up the chatroom there.

Re: The watching - automatic for "new members" is stopped ?
pieterhpieterh 1257426332|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Why do that? Surely just having it disabled by default for new user registrations would make a huge difference?

True. A good suggestion, and this is what we'll do.

Re: The watching - automatic for "new members" is stopped ?
leigerleiger 1257527539|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

That'd be a great help! :) Can you let us know when it is implemented? I can remove the warning from my site's join page then.

Re: The watching - automatic for "new members" is stopped ?
pieterhpieterh 1257597153|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Should be working live now. If you want to double check, create a new test account (note that you can use name+something@domain to your email address now).

Re: The watching - automatic for "new members" is stopped ?
James KanjoJames Kanjo 1257600248|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

If you want to double check, create a new test account (note that you can use name+something@domain to your email address now).

What do you mean by that?


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Re: The watching - automatic for "new members" is stopped ?
suefsuef 1257605607|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

James, a gmail account enables you to alias it by appending "+somealias" after your username and before the "@" symbol. This lets you make many email addresses that all forward to your primary google email address. So, now you can have more than one wikidot account effectively using the same email.

eg primary account "james@gmail.com" would receive messages sent to "james+new@gmail.com" and "james+old@gmail.com".


Sue

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Re: The watching - automatic for "new members" is stopped ?
James KanjoJames Kanjo 1257608648|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

OMG! Where is this documented?!

(oops)… I mean, snoooorrrreee…zzzZZZzzzZZZ (I'm sleeping…)


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Re: The watching - automatic for "new members" is stopped ?
pieterhpieterh 1257615379|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

http://www.wikidot.com/forum/t-189694/2009-10-17

Re: The watching - automatic for "new members" is stopped ?
leigerleiger 1257756889|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

OMG! Where is this documented?!

This seems as good a source as any: http://www.googletutor.com/2005/06/11/gmail-plus-aliases/

Though it says that only a maximum of eight characters can be used after the + symbol. IIRC, I've used much longer aliases than that.

E.g. If my regular email was example@gmail.com, then I could do this: example+wikidot.com@gmail.com and I'd know that anything sent to me at that address originally came from wikidot or from a site that they gave my email address to (Grr!)

It also means that I can create multiple accounts all with the same email address:

example+account1@gmail.com
example+account2@gmail.com

And I'd only have to log into example@gmail.com to get emails for both accounts.

Re: The watching - automatic for "new members" is stopped ?
pieterhpieterh 1257770270|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I've started a FAQ question using Shane's comment:

http://faq.wikidot.com/content:28

Feel free to improve.

This is okay so as it is...
Helmuti_pdorfHelmuti_pdorf 1257413961|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

The profile for this especcially "new account" - and than in a second step a new member of my sote - has the "correct" profile - not to watching any site.I think - this is exact what it should be now…


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