Toolbar Display Problems?
Toolbar Display Problems?
From the desk of pieterh
Via the waiting-for-tuesday department, on 1247665127|%e %B %Y, %H:%M
If you're getting display problems with the new toolbars (top or bottom) on your custom CSS layout, tell us about it here and we will help you fix them immediately. Post the web site address, and a short description of the problem, thanks. We'll monitor this thread and respond as rapidly as possible.
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page_revision: 2, last_edited: 1247667272|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z (%O ago)
http://riki.wikidot.com/
The wikidot logo continues… (you'll see).
Using Firefox 3.5 and IE8.
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You fixed it but now the edit bar (which I had moved to the top) is pushed down.
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I have identical problems
http://clean.wikidot.com
Thank-you :-)
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The bottom runs off out of content area.
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It looks fine in Firefox 2, Firefox 3 and IE7, except of the side bar which is moved too much to the right, hovering the content.
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You fixed it but now my sidebar is positioned incorrectly.
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Sorry, it was a mistake while correcting CSS. It's fine now.
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It moved again.
EDIT: Looks good now; thanks!
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We have fixed your theme, you had styled #container-wrap, so we have moved those properties to #container.
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Is it possible to disable/hide the new header and the enhanced footer - my site looked a lot cleaner without it and I was much happier ?
@Gareth, thanks for your question. Yes, you can disable the header/footer on your own Wikidot sites by becoming a Pro or Pro-lite user. As a visitor to a site, you'll see the toolbars depending on the site admin's choice.
So, for example, on this site you'll see the toolbars but on the http://www.wikidot.com site they are hidden.
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I realize that your company needs money, and doesn't make much from free (and ad-free) pages, but these new mandatory toolbars have soured me on wikidot. It wouldn't be so bad if free admins could choose whether or not to host ads, but this new layout makes my pages look horrible.
I don't think I'll be using this place for anything else.
@Dok,
Thanks for the feedback. We'll work on the horridness factor, and hopefully give you solid reasons to choose Wikidot for your web projects.
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We had a good start on an educational site, and I was very impressed with Wikidot. Was! Past tense, eh. This trashing of our pages I'd say is a bad move for Wikidot as it makes the site no longer attractive to serious users. I see a few othoers are quitting. This is not something I'm going to go along with either. But I'll wait a few days as I hope you'll agree to reverse the changes. There are plenty of other ways to start sites, remember!
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I've been a loyal Wikidot user for a few years now and for the first time I'm rather disappointed with additions, specifically with the giant clunky bar on the top of the pages. I'd rather go without the additional free features if it meant it got rid of that ridiculous bar.
I know all is meant well, and if all are insistent on keeping it- there should be a redesign in order. Make it smaller, bottom of the page- or not at all while forgoing those recently added features. And as for the bottom, perhaps something similar to Deviant art- where it can be minimized if you do not wish to see it.
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As Naomi says before…
I'm agree with this. I'd prefer no additional features at all if it meant it got rid of that top and bottom bar.
Vada also says the reasonable things…
Actually the advertisement before is an already major change to the Wikidot system… Now, it comes to top-bottom bar… Maybe I should rethink in using Wikidot for my project… Actually I'd loved Wikidot for over a year, but Wikidot somehow dissapoint me. Oh well… (anyway, I'm also understand that Wikidot want to encourage people to become Pro account… but maybe, not using this way… sigh…)
I think this may become a useful feature, for both free and paid sites. I've been using Blogger for a while now, and there a top bar is also displayed. It's elegant and unobtrusive, and I think Wikidot's top bar can be just as nice.
I can't say the same about the bottom bar, though. It's bulky, crowded, and, honestly, will do little in terms of promoting other sites, especially if there are no selection criteria (quality, popularity etc.) for the sites that are included.
Since the sites are apparently included at random, some of them are underdeveloped or contentless (one of them was, for instance, http://sandbox-old.wikidot.com/). That will not encourage new users to join Wikidot. It may, on the contrary, keep them away by giving the impression (far from the truth) that the folks behind Wikidot lack attention to quality.
If the bottom bar is to be kept, I think it should be something as simple (thin, etc.) as the top one, except that, instead of leading to random sites, it had links to "sites of note" (those already featured in the community and main sites, for instance). Showing Wikidot at its best, illustrated by sites with decent content and appearence, is a better strategy to attract new users.
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My day job is looking at ethical issues, and IMO (humble) O - this stinks. If the aim is to get people to upgrade, as implied above by pieterh 15 Jul 2009, 16:36 +0200
"@Gareth, thanks for your question. Yes, you can disable the header/footer on your own Wikidot sites by becoming a Pro or Pro-lite user."
then its worse. People came to this site under certain conditons. Its a kind of contract, I'm not interested in that 'legal' stuff, but its a moral commitment. Wikidot has got us all putting hours and weeks of time into our sites - helping their business to goow - but we are allowed out sites in return. Now someone has added compulsory ADDITIONS TOP AND BOTTOM WHICH SAY (I PARAPHRASE) 'THIS SITE IS CHEAP AND CRAP AND YOU ARE THICK FOR LOOKING AT IT"
Then we are told we can (we have to) pay to get rid of them. Am I alone, on this, or is it really a stinking example of arrogance and mismanagement?
It's extortion adding the wiki add as you don't give me any choice - I've been building my site for almost 3 years so it's obvious I won't say I leave the site because the add
but I'm worried what else you will …. up in the future??
for new wikidot users it's ok they can decide if they like it or not
and of course we were told at begginig that there would be paid and free sites and all the bla bla but
as it's for visitors not for users can't it be hidden like adds when we are logged in???
Pieter, that is perhaps a good idea:
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I second this-
Why do we users need a bar to create a new wiki site when we already know how to do this. this seems more geared to getting new wiki dot members. Perhaps it would be better if the bars (if you still insist on using them) be only visible to those not logged into Wiki dot- just like the ads and etc. Or just give us a way to close them and for wiki dot to remember you want it closed- if you really want us to 'look' at something there's nothing like making us go to the trouble to turn it off. Besides, I don't want to be forced into a community. That just makes everything stiff and unnatural- and will easily fall apart in the end.
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I was never one for wikis
I understand your reasons for adding this. Personally I wouldn't like it, so I'm glad to be on Pro.
Currently it's a bit sloppy and not clean looking. This is partly due to it clashing with themes. You could try transparent a transparent PNG Wikidot logo (like Twitter does). The bar background might look nice with a very small opacity so most of the regular background can be seen, yet the area is still defined. This would adapt to each page by introducing a darker shade of the page or header background, rather than always being gray. Plus it would blend in a little better rather than appear to be so ad-like.
Also, you could have a big X button so visitors can choose to hide it if they like (this should be remembered so they don't have to click it each time, with cookies or whatever).
So, not a bad idea. It helps to unify the Wikidot network. Needs a little tweaking though.
I work for an educational institution and have been successfully using wikidot to share information across admisnistraion units for a instant update to all staff. This morning I log in and to my horror discover that a link can be posted to someone's facebook, twitter etc. This site that I have spent a good twelve months developing and encouraging staff to use is now in jeopardy.
All this effort, work and promoting I have had to put myself through to have a centralized system available will very shortly (as soon as the IT department and management finds out) be cancelled.
Please please please get rid of those links. Is there some way I can turn them off ….without paying the fee
If that is the only way to rid the bar across the top (i dont care about the bottom one) I think you should be ashamed of yourselves in holding our site to ransom. i have been a great supporter of what you have to offer, please do not make me look like a fool.
Regards
It's true that private sites should not show the social icons. Thanks for pointing this out, we'll fix that.
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Dont like new bar at all - I would prefer to never had those improved features then to have that horrible piece of bad-smelling stuff on my pages.
It is like we branded criminals or something.
I have just read the info on my wiki about the toolbars. I apprecaite that advertising for other sites might help with revenue, but I STRONGLY oppose to the links to FB, twit etc. That is NOT keeping to the privacy promise. A response from wikidot admin people who make these decisions would be apprecaited. I am not writing to air my frustration. I want someone to DO something about this.
We should be able to choose to have that infringement on our privacy removed. I am happy to have the bottom bar. I dont see the point in having links to FB etc.
Please respond wikidot.
We've pushed out the thinner toolbar now, and private sites no longer show the links to facebook, twitter, etc. Thanks again for suggesting this change.
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Thankyou. I have seen the thinner toolbar across the top and the removal of the social network links. This is a great response to my issue. I can now rest easy again knowing that my private site will stay that and will no longer be exposed to the public domain.
I appreciate the quick response wikidot. Thanks again.
Yeah… the key issue here is the lack of 'community'. This change, which is contrary to the intitial agreements entered into, is imposed without consultation and notification. Now there is a refusal to deal with the issue publicly here - just 'techy' comments.
What should be doine immediately is make the changes 'voluntary' - if they have added some good new tools, well, they can use those as a 'bait' if they want. But the wrecking of people's sites is way out of the norm. It's a matter of trust, and even if this is corrected now, I can't say I have much trust in WIkidot any more.
At the moment, it seems better to get the site housed somewhere where the 'owners/managers' don't think they can just suit themselves. My friendly advice to Wikidot is:
Work with the community, not against it, don't impose your changes. There is time still to correct the mistake, apologise and rethink.
Throwing out even this many users because you think you have 'lot's more' is arrogant . Give the Wikidot a bad name and you will kill the project quicker than you may realise !
Why the heck in the world did you place these toolbars? Now every free site is looking crappy. I share my adsense income with you (about 30$ a month from which you get 20%) - but now you break promises and turn into more evil than any other paid site - because they at least told me from the beginning that i have to pay to get decent looking site.
While I don't like new bars (especially the top one, which has, I think, no value for newcomer), I understand this move. I just hope new designs will be available soon (yes, I think it is neccessary to be able to choose from multiple designs to better fit own designs). Maybe a little competition will be useful?
And, please don't listen too much to all these people who think all on the Internet should be free.
Thanks for your work as always.
Others are others and me is me.
Hi,
We're already using Wikidot for some time now. I thought you were good guys (release the source code etc), but this moves leaves me baffled. I understand the reasons, but the consequence is that cheap always looks like crap.
Before we could make a nice site without some features, but that was our choice. Now we don't have a choice anymore.
Becoming a pro member is not an option for a website for an open source program where we want donations to be donated to Oxfam instead of ourselves. We also don't want to compromise on the quality of our website, so I guess there is only one solution left for us: leaving wikidot.
Let's see what the new features of SourceForge are worth.
We still feel a bit betrayed…
In the mean time there seems to have been an update, which is good.
2 questions remain:
- our site (schoolsplay.wikidot.com) has a smaller layout. The top toolbar starts at the correct position, but goes all the way to the right. Can this be fixed?
- we don't have the 'other remarkable sites' bottom bar anymore. Is this on purpose or by accident?
As far as i can see, it appears that anyone who has set their "body" width will suffer from this.
Oh, and the floating aspect of it is a bit crap as well.
So nothing I can do on my side to fix this?
Are you NOT using customized CSS ?
Which theme have you chossen?
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try removing the body stuff and replace with
youll will probally have a bit more fiddling to do to get it righ.
Thanks, I'll try that this evening.
I have fixed your custom theme. If you want to have narrow site, instead of body, #content-wrap-wrap must be styled in that way.
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Please see my site (signature link), the toolbar is a couple of pixels out: you can tell by the fact that the edit bar covers it slightly and this is set to be at the top.
It (the edit bar) also covers the toolbar when scrolling down (firefox 3.5 smooth scrolling don't know about others).
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make the toolbar static again.
I like the thinner version, was this anything to do with my suggestion? :-)
And on a geeky note, when scrolling with this dynamic toolbar it considerably heightens my cpu usage.
Keep up the good work though, it's definitely looking a lot more professional now.
tDM
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Glad you like the improved version. Yes, your suggestion yesterday was helpful.
We'll fix the layout issue, thanks for pointing that out. For making the toolbar static, some people suggested adding actions like Edit and History to the toolbar, which is a great idea, but will only work if the toolbar is always visible. Strange that it uses more CPU.
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Thanks for sorting out the px and overlapping problems. I'm so impressed with the speed that you are addressing issues!
I would be very pleased if the edit bar could be incorporated into the toolbar; this would mean I wouldn't need to relocate the edit bar. Maybe use icons?
The CPU usage whilst scrolling is probably just due to the fact that my old laptop cannot take the pressure! :-)
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I've posted this on another thread, but it hasn't received a comment so I'm putting it here, too. I don't mind the statis toolbar at the top. What I don't like is that since it floats it now covers up the first line of an anchor. It's frustrating, because I use anchors to let visitors go directly to the content that they want. Now, they go to the right spot but can't read the first line or two. So they have to scroll.
I noticed that using the ((page-name#anchor|text)) brings up the anchor in the middle of thescreen, so the static bar on the top doesn't interfere. Any chance that you can get the (# anchor) code to display the anchor in the middle of the page instead of the top? {Of course, I used () instead of [] for obvious reasons}
Fix that, and I'll gladly accept the thinner gray bar at the top of the site as a reasonable business move on yourall's behalf.
What I wouldn't give to relinquish that favicon, the meta tags, and whatever else you've tried to buy off free users with for simply having the page I originally designed back. What a pity… never again will I recommend this place to my design clients (most of whom buy Pro accounts for the staff privacy).
As Docmartin said, it's a matter of trust. Sure, I could siphon $25 out of my monthly savings ($25 means quite a lot to me, thanks, despite your attempts to belittle it as "nothing much"), but since you're not inclined towards the grandfathering model anymore, how would I know how long that $25 dollar fee would last? It could be $25 now, but when I go to renew it, maybe you've decided a ProLite is worth $35 or $45. Where does it end?
I simply don't trust this company enough to give them my cash. And I'm sure I'm not alone. Sense of community, pfft.
But, given I'm stuck (for the moment at least, while I research other wiki options for my hobby sites), short of editting the graphics, would anyone care to recommend a way of resolving the misalignment of the header with the static background that has occurred as a result of the (reasonably acceptable but entirely useless) top toolbar?
The black bar in the header, obviously, ought to align with the black bar in the background and did quite nicely before all of this. Everything else I've mostly ironed out on my own, but this one is proving problematic.
EDIT Sorry about the second post; what can I say? The Wikidot community has never much interested me, ergo I'm just not familiar with the forum system and initially missed the fact posts could be editted.
I appreciate that for some people, any cost at all is a problem. When I started using wikidot.com myself, three years ago for the CAPSoff campaign, I wanted to have a web site that was free, without any ads or complications.
Which makes me think that perhaps for some people, it would be a good deal to get a more restricted Wikidot but without the community toolbars. That's what you're suggesting, right? I'll discuss this with the team, see whether it makes sense. Note that at the end of the day, it does take a lot of $25 upgrades to pay for Wikidot: development, hosting, bandwidth, servers, and people to read and answer your questions. If we could get all that for free, this thread would be a lot shorter.
We'll check out your misalignment issue asap.
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Sorry, all this toolbarity has my head in a tizzy. The site is at: http://themolehill.wikidot.com
I have fixed your custom theme. This problem was described above. body should not be styled, instead of - I moved background properties from body to #content-wrap-wrap. Please take a look if it's fine enough for you.
P.S. You have very nice theme. Didn't you think about posting it to our theme contest? http://www.themes.wikidot.com There is an iPod and Pro Accounts to win.
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It doesn't happen in Opera, just in FF. It only happens on that page, where I have a collapsible block that contains a lot of text.
Found a more specific detail about that bug: it happens whenever there are boxes or iframes on the screen, the toolbar overlaps that element, causing z-fights.