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I hope you reconsider that Your-free-web-project text box in the toolbar, I know what it's for, but I don't think it's that obvious for newcomers, it's like "type in here to figure out what happens next".
I suggest just a clear message with a link, "$owner created this website using Wikidot, Get yours now»"
A wiki represents the work of a community. Displaying such a message is insulting to all the people that worked on it.
You're probably right, it was just a suggestion anyway… maybe "$website_title was created using Wikidot, Create a new site»" .
Or any better wording, just something more obvious than the text-box.
Yes, the 'free-web' stuff undermines the educational sites like ours. Seems to have been not intentional but… How about something neutral 'New Web Projects from' ?
i would suggest replace it with a search form instead.
wikidot links already all over our sites
http://it.dennyhalim.com | http://wiki.dennyhalim.com | http://twitter.com/dennyhalim
We're going to continue to experiment with this functionality, and all your ideas are welcome. It's true that showing the site master admin is insulting to other users, and we removed that. What I'd personally like to have up there is a combination of:
It should be smart and work depending on whether the user is logged in or not.
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It seems the table of contents anchors work fine now, but custom defined anchors still go below the bar. You can see it here for an example.
Timothy Foster - @tfAuroratide
Auroratide.com - Go here if you're nerdy like me
For the record, I concur. All of my custom anchors are going below the bar as well. Well, I shouldsay that the custom anchors that are on the same page. Those anchors that first direct to a new page and then find the anchor show up right in the middle of the page. That is a marvelous thing in my book. [Hint, hint - Oh that all anchors could work like that]
Could provide a link to an example of these middle-of-the-page anchors? Thanks.
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Not sure if this example is what Nonlethal Force means, but have a look at Helmuti's post http://blog.wikidot.com/blog:toolbar-exploits/comments/show#post-536586 with a link to post “B creative” by ccsqueen. When following the link you are getting confused as to which post the link goes to — a few follow-on posts to Helmuti's post discuss the confusion.
What is an educational site and how is that determined?
Have a look on one of the Main pages: http://www.wikidot.com/learnmore:education
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Does this mean that even if I am pro, I cannot remove the upper toolbar? Hm, this is something completely differenf from what I`ve heard some days ago:
http://blog.wikidot.com/forum/t-169293/community-and-pro#post-534576
If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be vegan. - Paul McCartney
Brunhilda, if you are an admin under any of the Pro plans, you can now decide whether (or whether not) your site should be promoted on the bottom toolbar of other sites.
See your Site Manager, Appearance, Wikidot, toolbars, checkbox “Promote this site on other sites.”
Ups! :D
I didn't pay enogh attention… Sorry.
Now everything's clear….
If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be vegan. - Paul McCartney
As a Pro user, you can control the display of both the top and bottom toolbars as well as opting in or out of having your site promoted in the random sites in the footer. Here's the current options I have:
-Ed
Community Admin
When searching in Firefox (Ctrl+F) the top bar sometimes obscures the found text.
Try searching for “anchor” for several times (use Ctrl+G) on http://blog.wikidot.com/blog:how-to-opt-out to see an example.
Feature No. 1 for Wikidot is this:
"PROFESSIONAL WIKI TECHNOLOGY
We are providing professional, high quality sites just for everyone. Wikidot is a tool to create a website without knowing HTML, PHP, JavaScript etc. With Wikidot you can create your personal site, your company's website as well as big portals and huge community forums with thousands of users"
But the new bar(s) make your old talk just nonsense, don't they? I mean, which company can have a Wiki with 'Your Free Web Project' and share on Flicker' at the top?!
Feature No. 2 for Wikidot is 'security':
But now all the sites have been frankly 'vandalized' to make money (even if the worst of the changes have been reversed' - where's the security there?
And shameless rather than contrite, the 'management' have announced a right to delete sites that 'infringe' their rights to include generic content - eg ads/ toolbars. This is treating the Wikidot as a place for casual users (say like a Wikipedia contributor) not as a place where teams of people spend years building up sites.
I made this point elsewhere. I think its both valid and serious. Not against Wikidot but advisory. No response. That's not very serious either.
@Docmartin, thanks for this comment.
You're clearly unhappy with the changes, but there's no point in repeating yourself and demanding an answer each time. If you don't like the toolbars, and consider them vandalism, that is perfectly fine. I've explained, in such detail that perhaps someone could write a FAQ on the topic, why they are necessary, how we will improve them and make them more useful, and why the clarity between Community users and Professional users is ethical, sane, and will remain unless we find a better way to fund the work we do.
Thanks.
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Peter, it is quite clear that you think thereare lot sof users out there and you can say 'push off' to those who don't like the way you run things. I think you're heading down a path that leads nowhere, but who knows the truth of that.
But what I can say is this:
1. You cheated us on the terms we came to Wikidot. A better way to have done this would have been to introduce the changes for new users accepting new terms.
2. You introduced the changes disgracefully, with the result of 'stampeding' people into paying up. We could afford the fee too - but we're not going to. It's (as others have said) a matter of principle. Can you understand that?
(And what of all those users who CAN'T afford to pay?)
Now if you are really tryign to be fair, why not:
Offer to refund people who upgraded on the basis of the big clunk toolbars, that you have now withdrawn anyway?
Remove the last offensive features of the top bar, notably the 'Your free web project'?
(I accused you just of not replying - I'm happy to withdraw that - you've replied twice. But both have been dismissive and not attempted to take my points 'constructively'. That's how they're meant.
@Docmartin: thanks for your comments.
As I've written before, the toolbars are here for strong reasons that have not changed, and we will continue to improve them as we get user feedback. Shouting at us to take dramatic action and making threats… well, it may make you feel better but it is otherwise pointless and a distraction.
You do make one comment that I can reply to, about the "your free web project" input box. Yes, we will be improving this as well.
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I'm not a fan of this new toolbar, but wikidot is a great site and I'm not going to throw my toys out of the pram and leave because of such a small addition.
What I really, really don't like is that the top toolbar is always visible on the screen. Especially when I have tabs open, it's starting to seem like I'm looking at the site through a letterbox. Currently I have to scroll to the bottom of the page to edit and that really doesn't bother me - I can't honestly say that I have ever begrudged that second spent scrolling when I want to edit a page. What is annoying is when an image is too tall to fit on the screen in one go, or the permanent presence of social networking buttons that hold little relevance to the function of the site.
As I said before, the addition of the toolbar is fine by me, but when I've seen something on the page as it loaded and ascertained that it isn't relevant to what I'm currently doing on the site, I'd like to be able to scroll away from it, just like I would scroll away from irrelevant information in the content of the page.
The reason the toolbar is fixed is that we want to add actions like Edit, History, Source, etc. and these would work only if they are always visible. Hopefully we'll have that working next week and you can see if it makes more sense.
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I understand the trying to promote community objective but I'm not quite sure if these new objects provide functionality for external (non-wikidot) users to access the community.
For the top bar I recommend getting rid of the "Random Site" and replace with a global search feature with the text "Not the wiki you were looking for"
For the bottom bar why are the sites random? Shouldn't they be some how related? If I'm a visitor on a health wiki reading about a new vaccine why would I want to see other sites for role playing, stocks, etc…
In other words, why can't it be more contextual. It's been one of Google's main stays and they have demonstrated the powerof contextual ads, links, or sites.
Just my 2 cents
Yes, the idea of contextual wikis makes sense. That depends on accurate site tags.
FWIW, there is a project (the Wikidot Directory) to collect sites by context, which we may use as the basis of a standardized set of site tags.
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My wiki is in Italian language, but the bottom toolbar only shows suggestions for foreign language wikis.
I would like to be able to set up some language restrictions on the suggested wiki.
Good point.
All wikis should have language tags in the "General settings" of admin page.
Have a look at http://community.wikidot.com/poll:how-should-a-language-tag-of-a-site-look :
Please - rate / vote here directly
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